we're gettin close to election day and if im not mistaken, we havent talked about it much/at all. lets hear (if no one's too sensitive to let everyone know on this anonymous forum) who youre voting for and who you think the frontrunner is at the moment.

as for me, im going to have to go with barack. if anyone is interested in discussing specific politics thats fine, just dont feel like typing all that now...i feel like i would be doing everyone in this country a disservice by placing even my single vote on a republican at this point. as for which democrat, i like a lot things obama has to say and i dont feel like i have any reason to question voting for him.... and if people are calling him inexperienced, then what the hell in hillary.

i want obama, and would think it'd be a great thing for r country, but i believe it wouldnt happen because of all of the racisim still in this country.

SO you want him to be President, soley on the fact that hes black? That's reverse racism by the way. How about a man who would be best for our country. YOU CAN'T POST IN THIS THREAD IF YOU CAN'T VOTE, how about that?


COUNT IT! THE MAC MAN IN '08!!!

well not soley on the fact him being black. i think a black president would be good for this country because it would help against racism greatly IMO. i obviously want who has the best policies to win, but no ones really heard any policies of any of them yet, so im saying obama for now

why oh why do you post sometimes. listen your saying a black president would be good for racism, that saying you are wanting a president just because you think he can allegidly(sp?) stop racism? you honestly dont think it could lead to more? get real kid. like ewok said you cant vote, this is a thread for who you are voting for. the stupidity in some posts are giving me a headache...... however being a REGISTERED democrat, i will vote for whoever wins the primary.

"Two Bill Clintons with a backbone and a zipped up zipper."

f*** it i change my mind, im voting for.

Election Day should be named to "National Pick a crook Day ! "

Not one person in congress, Republican or Democrat has really made a change since the last election. So much for sweeping changes and good conduct !
All they know how to do is blame one another for what is wrong with US policy overseas, or the problems with the economy !

How about working on the issues for the working people of this country to improve the quality of every day life ? Great concept !

You saved me a whole lot of typing. I agree with you.
Wait, being a member of the Armed Forces means I cannot critisize our leadership.......

I have no recolation of this post at this time!

If you don't vote RD he'll delete you by hitting backspace three times consecutively.

USA exclusive!!! Presidential messiah presidential messiah my vetoes are on fire cant get much higher presidential messiah

I am (as seen above), a McCain supporter. However if he doesn't win the Republican nomination-which appears likely-then I don't know what I'll do. Most likely I'll end up voting for Obama or Edwards if they get the Democratic nomination. I am definitely not voting for Giuliani though.

I too served in the military-Marine Corps. I have every right as well to critisize our leadership.

no one in favor of amending the constitution to get dubya in again?
...that damned 22nd amendment...

That also means Bill Clinton could run again.

Ill listen to all the debates and speeches and then in the end Ill vote for the guy who I think is lying the least.

Semper Fi!





Unfortunatley, you are right. We will never get a President that is here to do the right thing for this country. Sucks how politics are these days.

I vote for this guy

How about "The Gunny" for president ? That would shake up Iran"s prez !

i wasnt saying a black president would completely stop racism, im saying it would drastically help the effort against racism.and he would have to be elected first, and if he were to be elected, i think it would be a step forward to less racism. and y i post sometimes is to express my opinions, thats what a forum is for right? whether u agree or disagree with me i have my right to my opinion and thats the point of a forum to speak ur opinion on subjects

Yes you do, it's just nobody respects them because your stupid.

This topic is very interesting. We could do a lot of good for this country with the candidates...ie:

If we vote Obama as president, we could help stop the effort of racism.
that then means,
If we vote Hillary as president, we could help stop the effort of sexism.
I probably could go on and on with candidates, Jews, ect.ect.


This is all bullshit, there is, and will always be hatred. No matter who the hell is president, jeez, most of the African Americans bash Obama more than 'The White Man'.

In a perfect world we would all treat each other with dignaty and respect, but we obviously do not live in that world. With that being said, I hope that whoever is 'The Man' and becomes our next president, has the courage and the integrity to do the job and make decisions to better or country. But we all know that none of the candidates have integrity, or courage, so then who the hell should we vote for?

I think Hilary is a crazy bitch. Ill take her husband again but I dont trust her with my country.

Having Obama as president won't really do anything about racism, you guys realize that. It's not like we have any tangible barriers to be crossed like in the '50s or '6os. Every CITIZEN has equal rights, and antidiversity in the social presence and workplace is not gonna be solved at the federal level, nor would it be solved through an election based on skin color.If we want to rebuild/restructure our government we need passive chane, not a radical one, and in all fairness if you look at the different policies of the many candidates the only two who qualify for that position are McCain and Ron Paul...and to be honest Ron Paul has got to be borderline retarded.

Every citizen has equal rights (no thanks to conservative Republicans and those "Dixiecrats"), but still not every citizen is treated equally despite having equal rights. Now the ERA was never and still has yet to be ratified. So some women might disagree that everybody has equal rights.

We need radical change. This country was built on radical change. Our forefathers were radicals for revolting against King George III. The abolishionist were radical for believing slaves needed to be free. Radical loud mouth broads back in the early 20th century got the 18th amendment ratified before even having the right to vote and then got themselves the right to vote. Radicals like Martin Luther King, Jr. Medgar Evers, Malcolm X and many others fought and died for EVERY CITIZEN to have equal rights. If it weren't for radicals/liberals we'd have Queen Elizabeth on our money, I'd be down south picking cotton, women would still be treated like shit, and white anglo-saxon protestant rich men would still have all the power (yet in most cases they still do). Speaking of white, protestant, rich, men reminds me of the Republican National Convention. Now Ron Paul, that man is a total hypocrite.

WAIT! Obama is black!?!? HOLY CRAP!

seriously though I believe in the man .. after what will be 8 years of bushit bullying people around it would be refreshing to have somebody who listens to both sides of an argument and actually THINKS about the impact his decisions would have on the country (see his Iraqi war speech .. he nailed it!)

I went to see him speak @ Washington Square last week and for the first time in my life I wasactually inspired by a politicain .. I liked Bill A LOT! but he really screwed the pooch literally by not keeping it in his pant .. and letting alqueda (sp?) get away with hitting the USS Cole .. ahhh there I go again


anyway short answer is Obama/Edwards '08

God help us if they put hillary up there .. it will be over before it begins!

I gotcha buddy Al Qaeda

Ive decided against voting. our votes dont mean shit anyways so whats the point?

im not gonna bother giving you the appropriate response because i think you said that wanting to get a reaction from someone, but i will say don't be stupid

Your votes mean nothing. The only votes that count in a presidential election are the senatorial or and representative votes. Remember how Gore won the popular vote in 2000 but lost the election? I voted in 2004, but ive realized it doesnt matter who i vote for, they dont care what the people really think. Albeit, sure some of our congressmen do care what we think and will vote the way we vote. But many wont. Thats why we are a democratic republic.

WOW you are cool and original! Oh wait 2/3s of the nation already doesn't vote. Way to be ignorant evervybody

it aint about being original. its about not wasting my damn time doing something thats not gonna mean a thing anyway.

I guess all these people were wasting their damn time too.













They might as well have just stayed home and complained about our voting system.

Remember when you don't vote this happens....

In 2000 we voted for Gore. Thats where the majority of our votes went.........but THAT still happened. What does that tell you?

That tells me that 538 people in the state of Florida who could've voted and didn't like Bush's platform but didn't get off their asses and vote because they didn't think their votes counted let THAT happen.

538 that's it. Less then all the seats Dolphins Stadium, less then all the seats in American Airlines Arena, just 538 people going out to vote in Florida could've saved 3,842 lives.

Like I said women fought for the right to vote, blacks fought (and some died) for the right vote. So it must mean something. They didn't sit on their ass and complain, they stood up and questioned authority. Politicians like a lot of people not voting on election day, that means they get re-elected.

Bumping this since we're in the swing of primaries/caucuses. What are everyones thoughts so far?

my thoughts so far is that im glad people put the ron paul bumper stickers on their cars. now i can identify the hippy retards on the road and be sure to avoid them. ok ok hippy retard was a bit too harsh.. lets just say those who have a different opinion of how govt works. i will most likely be voting democratic haven't decided on who yet that is still to be determined.

If I decide to vote, which I probably wont since my vote doesnt mean shit, I'll vote for the guy I think is the least nuts and evil.

I find it interesting that candidates from the same party (Clinton and Obama) have taken to attacking each other in order to gain votes in order to be their parties nomination. Surely the best way to win votes is to set out your individual manifesto and stick to that rather than attack the other person. I think the media in America's attention has kind of been taken away from what each candidate would do for the country and focused too much on the bickering that's going on and the race issue with Obama.
IMO it should be about who is best for the country. I understand it is highly competitive, which is why the candidates do look for chinks in their opponents armour.
It is an entirely different system to what we have over here where the party members have a single leader and the party work together on an election winning manifesto.
Personally I'd vote for John Edwards.

I hate how the Republican party is working out. Romney wins some, J-Mac wins, then HUCKABEE seriously WTF? If J-Mac doesn't get the republican ticket I may have to vote Obama.

Did you know? McCain was promised the '08 Republican ticket under the table if he dropped out of the 2004 race. What does that have to say about the confidence the GOP had in their incumbent? Zero.

J-MAC IN '08!!!!!!



P.S.:

WARNING: Prepared to be bored.

First the Democratic side.

It's really pissing me off now that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are going at it and ripping the other apart over race. Believe it or not after Michael Richards, Don Imus, and Michael Vick I'm tired of talking about race. But Clinton, Obama, and the media are making this presidential race about race. That will only divide the Democratic party and who ever comes away as the nominee will be badly scarred going into the general election. Then you have people supporting Hillary because she's woman or because her husband is Bill Clinton but can't tell you one of her policy positions. Same for Obama I've seen videos of mostly college aged kids (not all though) black and white saying they support Obama basically because he's black (though they don't come out and say it) but they also can't give you an answer to where Obama stands on the issues. I just want to f***ing ring their necks. That's NO REASON TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY! I as a black man would love to see Barack Obama a REAL African-American man take the oath of office 364 days from now, but that doesn't automatically mean I will vote for him. I didn't and would never vote for Alan Keyes or Condi Rice. My own mother supports him just because he is black and I don't understand it. My white friends support Obama and wonder why he isn't my first choice. It would be nice if we had a President that brought soul to the White House or had somebody with a vagina sitting behind the desk inside the Oval Office for change. But those are not reasons to vote for somebody. But the media has chosen to make our choices on the Democratic side between Clinton and Obama because I believe they don't want to appear to be racist or sexist, basically "white man's guilt." Yet they don't have enough of that "guilt" to put a woman or black person incharge of a major news organization.

Clearly I support John Edwards for President. It's not looking good for him. He doesn't have the money Obama and Clinton have and he doesn't get the media attention they get either. Yet the pundits, focus groups, and viewers always say he wins every debate. But that "white man's guilt" over centuries of racisim and sexism always creeps back in. He's not out of it though, as long as he can keep racking up a respectable number of delegates he can win some later primaries if/when Clinton and Obama destroy each other and he can win the nomination. Now I'm usually one of the ones advacating the black point of view around here, yet this is one time I'm saying "give the white guy a chance." I see a 21st century version of FDR in Edwards. I see the fight of Harry Truman and the compassion of Robert Kennedy in Edwards (not my quote saw it on another message board but I believe it too). He's a classic Democrat not the spineless ones we younger folks grew up with. As much as I admire and respect George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry and in some regards Bill Clinton; they had no guts, no backbone. They didn't stay true the core principals of the Democratic Party (The Humphrey mantra).

So my first choice is still John Edwards, 2nd Barack Obama, 3rd I can grit my teeth and vote for Hillary Clinton.

The Republican side

I saw this coming back in late 2005. The Republican party is torn and divided and it is all George W. Bush's fault. This will be Bush's longest lasting legacy. He might have just put the Republican party in the political wilderness for an entire generation like Hurbert Hoover did back in the 1930's. Fred Thompson's campaign was a joke from day one. I thought Ron Paul would have more support than what the primary results have shown. Plus this stuff about his past newsletters and the racist remarks that were in some of them gives me doubts about his judgement.

First Rudy Giuliani or as I and many others like to call him 9iul1an1. He has used one of America's worst tragedies to try to get elected President which IMO is tasteless and shameful. I have greatly enjoyed seeing his campaign go down in flames and I bet Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond would've enjoyed seeing it too had they been alive to see it. It really says something when your own children won't even campaign for you.

Mitt Romney. As I said on another message board, Romney is a Rockefeller Republican running as a Goldwater Republican in a party that still uses Ronald Reagan as it's icon but is in shambles because of Bush. Every time I see Mitt and Ann Romney they remind me of Ward and June Cleaver, which usually plays well for Republican voters, but that Mormon thing hurts him in a party that Karl Rove sold to the faux-Christian conservatives back in 2004. He is the candidate I hope wins the Republican nomination though. I think even Hillary could beat him.

Mike Huckabee scares the hell out of me. What he has said about it being easy to amend the United States Constitution the most important document in this country to look more like the King James Holy Bible gives us all a reason to fear a President Huckabee. Of course he just said that to appeal to the faux-Christian conservatives and he could never get away with doing it, still it's scary though. Then having Chuck Norris and Ric Flair standing behind him makes him an even bigger joke. Hopefully he'll end up like Pat Robertson and it will be Iowa and that's it.

John McCain, well the Phoenix has risen. Usually the Republicans nominate a guy because it's his turn. Ford over Reagan in 76, Reagan over Bush & Dole in 80, Bush over Dole in 88, Dole in 96. After losing to W. Bush in 2000 it was clear that it was McCain's turn in 04 (if Bush lost) or 08. Last summer I thought he wasn't going to make it. But it appears the Republican party is staying true to the formula that they've used since Ford vs. Reagan. The problem I have with McCain is he is trying to run to the right of George W. Bush. Hugging Jerry Falwell in 2006 after calling him "an agent of intolerance" back in 2000 doesn't sit right with me. McCain talking about having troops in Iraq for the next 100 years really doesn't sit right with me. The thing about McCain is he is not a Reagan Republican no matter how much he says his name during the debates. McCain is a Goldwater Republican for obvious reasons. There's a difference between a Goldwater Republican and Reagan Republican. Like Romeny he'd be better off running as the type of Republican he naturally is. McCain needs to be himself not some bad clone of Ronald Reagan or Super George W. Bush.

That was phenomenal. Please to not mistake the lack of substance in this post as misinformation or that I didn't read your post. The sad thing is, McCain was basically given the '08 gop ticket under the table, and he puts his neck on the line for the republican party in the Senate everyday, and guess what? He gets screwed in the ass with the proverbial elephant tusk.

Right now, if we take the top three contenders, which in my opinion is Rodham, Barack, and J-Mac, the only one of those three that I trust (especially after the current administrations ass raping of the constitution) is McCain. Think about it this way. Barack is coming off as too commercial. He's young, innovative, and I love the guy to death. Give him 16 years and he'd take the presidency no question, but the sad thing is deep down how many people can you seriously believe will look past race and vote for him? Same with Hillary in terms of gender, but i don't trust her with my lunch money. I have these vision of her coming into office and just fvcking things up, trying to be a radical force of change while trying to copy Papa Bill.



If he does, which he is starting to ditch his wide-platform act and stick to his own plan, then I think he has the most experience in politics and life.

And kudos on the usage of ''Goldwater Republican''

Out of the entire Republican field McCain is the most sensible one and the most sane one. I'm also glad he's going back to being the 2000 McCain rather than being the George W. Bush on steroids candidate he was last year. You could tell he wasn't comfortable in that role. Really McCain has been putting his neck on the line for the past 10 years really since he started his 2000 campaign. He's just stuck in a party that is still riding Ronald Reagan's dick when it is Barry Goldwater who was McCain's mentor and is more in line with ideologically. I think McCain as President would be more like George H.W. Bush or Gerald Ford than like George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan. McCain could over a period of time win or lose save the Republican party by steering conservative beliefs inside the party more towards Goldwater libertarianism and away from Bush neo-conservatism.

The only problem I have personally with John McCain was his lukewarm defense of John Kerry back in 2004 when the swift boat ads came out. McCain and Kerry are both war heroes and became friends while working in the Senate. Since McCain was slimed by the some group of draft dodgers in the 2000 S.C. Primary I think he could've been stronger in his defense of Kerry back in 04. One last thing on McCain though. Even though I totally disagree with him on Iraq, McCain unlike Bush, Cheney, and the chickenhawks that support the war; McCain's sons are in Iraq so he actually has a personal stake in this war and could lose something much more precious than a political legacy. So I respect that.


Quick thoughts on Obama and Hillary.

With Obama if he doesn't get on the ticket at all this year. He needs to get his ass out of Washington, D.C. and get elected Governor of Illinois in 2010. The last thing Obama needs is a long senate voting record. Having one will only hurt him in a future Presidential run 8, 12, 16 years from now.

With Hillary I think given a fair chance she would be a great President. BUT that will never happen. She wouldn't be able to be an effective President because the Republicans in congress (mostly in the Senate) would filabuster and try to stop anything she tried to push through congress. Taking Hillary Clinton down even a little bit will help them at GOP fundraisers and help advance their own political careers and Presidential hopes. So despite there being 23 GOP held senate seats up this year because she won't have coattails she won't have 60 Democratic senators to break a filabuster; making her ineffective as President....another Jimmy Carter possibly.




I'm glad somebody else also knows the difference between a "Goldwater Republican" a "Reagan Republican" and a "Rockefeller Republican." I wish more people understood the difference between them and a "Humphrey Democrat" a "Truman Democrat" and a "Clinton Democrat."

I remember that!! I thought that he really showed what politics should be like. McCain trascended party lines, yes, but how far do you the he was gonna go against his own party. I don't blame him for that.

And the war... well... He favors a time table, most likely an extended one, but he is also the only person who realizes expedited or immediate withdrawl is a bad idea what with what happened to Rwanda, India and Pakistan, Sudan, Congo etc. The fact that his kids are over there, really shows that he truly is committed to fixing Iraq instead of just patching it up and running away.

Whenever I throw the term "Rockefeller Republican" around my friends and such I always get, "Rockefeller was a president?"

I also like John Edwards because his views are the ones that make the most sense to me. After him I like Obama. The whole "Hilary will be like having Bill in there again" bs has me sick to my stomach.

And about Huckabee...yeah man...pretty scary shit that dude spews out.

Im voting Edwards or Obama...if not...stay tuned.

Great post!

There are a few things I don't discuss on message boards and one them is politics but I enjoy the read. A lot of you make some really good valid points, kudos to you guys.

I haven't even been paying attention to the issues these people are discussing, because really, they're all the same. The things I do catch of their "campaigns" feel like live-action arguments on message boards. You have people in different states, insulting one another with a room full of cheerleaders. It's disgusting. I saw on CBS News this morning a clip of John Edwards talking about Hilary Clinton in South Carolina saying things like, "I'm heeere, and sheeee's not! See! I love you guys more!" fuckouttahere. It's sickening.

I made the analogy during the Kerry/Bush campaigns, and it's still relevant. These Presidential hopefuls are equivalent to the drunk high school jock at the party whispering everything a girl wants to hear in her ear. We're the girls giggling that'll inevitably get fucked.

With the war I think Biden's plan will be the one that will eventually be the one that ends up happening. Immediate withdrawl isn't logical and it will take a while to get all the equipment and weapons out of Iraq. So I think that if the next President starts on day one all the troops and equipment can be home by the end of 2009/early 2010. As Obama says we have to be as careful getting out as we were careless going in. But Joe Biden's plan I thought and still think is the best plan.



I'd rather Nelson Rockefeller had been President than Richard Nixon.









I think this is the best message board I've ever visited to talk about a sorts of things. We all fight sometimes but after about 8 pages in one thread we finally come to armistice. I can honestly say that I respect the majority of the posters on this board, even the ones I don't agree with all the time. Infact I get most of my news about the Jets from your posts on this board.




Well I'm happy Edwards got some airtime from a major news organization today.

Personally I feel that the American and British governments have a duty to remain in Iraq with at least some presence until the country becomes stable. It could be that after a while UN or NATO peacekeeping forces move in, but you can't just pull out all troops on the spot until the job has been done.
Face it, Britain and America are partly to blame for the current situation over there and even though the war has become unpopular in both countries it needs to be seen out.
So I don't think any of the candidates who are proposing immediate withdrawal, on both sides of the Atlantic (British Conservative party leader David Cameron is also a supporter of withdrawing at the earliest opportunity; he also seems adamant at withdrawing Britain from the EU by wanting to reject the Lisbon Treaty but that's another matter).

I think you have to be crazy to vote for a Republican right now (and really anytime for that matter). I could go for either Barack or Edwards, I like both of them alot. I'd give Edwards the slight advantage for the fact he has a little more experience. As for the Republicans, the only one I like is Mike Huckabee, but he's losing ground more and more. But if Romney wins, you can count on me moving to Canada in the near future. I cannot stand Romney.