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Timebandit
McCain-Palin 2008!!!
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 29 2008, 03:45 PM) *
McCain-Palin 2008!!!


Well I'm just glad to see the Republican party has gotten it's mindset out of the 1950s and leapped into 1984.

But seriously I think it was a very bold pick by McCain, not the right pick but one way or another America will make history on November 4th.
KSUpilot
Not totally sold on McCain, still leading towards Obama...but it is nice to see that he is a bit open minded as well. Either way it should be interesting in November.
ManginiIsMyFather
QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Aug 29 2008, 03:58 PM) *
Well I'm just glad to see the Republican party has gotten it's mindset out of the 1950s and leapped into 1984.

But seriously I think it was a very bold pick by McCain, not the right pick but one way or another America will make history on November 4th.


FYI, Collin Powell and Condy Rice.... what were they, white folks in black face and drag?

Seriously though go look up the Civil Rights movement and look up what party many of the more active and daring politicians were.

I like the pick, but honestly I don't know much about her. I'll say this, she isn't ugly, unlike another female politician I know...

The face of beauty

Or this lovely woman



Seriously though I would do her
matt x
I am voting for my dog>>>>>>>
GARCIA

He does not
LIE
CHEAT
or
STEAL (except for your food)

He is
TRUSTWORTHY
FRIEND TO THE COMMON MAN
and
WILL NOT RAISE TAXES!
ganggreen_ewok
Seeing how this economy has broken apart at the seams in the past 200 days I'm definitely now voting for Obama. Sorry McCain, your economic policy was just too weak
choon328
Lets face facts, McCain needed to put Jesus on the ballot for him to have a shot. Nobody want's to elect John George Bush McCain to another 4 years in office. Especially someone like me who is tired of burying his friends after there nonsensical journey in to a country to fight a war that never should have been waged. McCain is using this poor lady as a political tool. As soon as the day comes when Hillary Clinton bashes this ex-beauty queen with words, then there will be no mistake as to who women are going to vote for. And its not going to be for the party who is trying to stop a woman's right to choose or the party who doesn't want to pay women an equal salary for an equal day's work. McCain basically just admitted today that he feels he has no shot at winning so he had to try and shake it up a bit and hope and pray that women would flock to his campaign. Too bad there was a quote today from one of the leading supporters of Hillary Clinton which said, "I know Hillary Clinton and Sarah? Palin is no Hillary Clinton". That's all you need to know on how this little maneuver is going to work.

Oh did I mention that Palin is under federal investigation in her own CORRUPT state? Well she is. Sounds like the same old Republican party to me.
Timebandit
I believe in the Puritan work ethic which is what this great country was founded on. Unfortunately, the libs don't believe in this and blame ALL of someone's failings on society/government instead of on the persons irresponsible choices. I can't see osama I mean obama doing ANY good for this country. Like a typical lib-demonrat he will tell you EVERYTHING you want to hear but has NO WAY of implementing those ideas w/out bankrupting the country.
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (ManginiIsMyFather @ Aug 29 2008, 04:39 PM) *
FYI, Collin Powell and Condy Rice.... what were they, white folks in black face and drag?

Seriously though go look up the Civil Rights movement and look up what party many of the more active and daring politicians were.

I like the pick, but honestly I don't know much about her. I'll say this, she isn't ugly, unlike another female politician I know...

The face of beauty

Or this lovely woman
Seriously though I would do her


I love it how Republicans throw Powell and Rice up in somebody's face everytime someone calls the Republican party the party of rich, old, white, protestant, straight (or closeted), men. Compare the faces we saw this week in Denver to the faces we'll see next week in Minneapolis, then tell me the Republicans are the party of diversity. FYI Powell and Rice were not and are not the President or Vice-President of the United States. Should all Jewish women love Bill Clinton just because he picked Madeleine Albright to be his Secretary of State?

Fine George W. Bush should get credit for making Powell and Rice the first black person and than Rice the first black woman to be SoS. But did he listen to Secretary Powell during the lead up to war with Iraq? Looks to me Bush just listened to Cheney, Tenet, and Rumsfeld and patted Powell on the head and ignored his advice NOT to go to war with Iraq. Proof positive the old guard of the GOP (like his daddy & James Baker) forced Bush to make Powell SoS. It wasn't until he needed Powell to sell the war to congress, the U.N., and to the American people that he paid Powell any attention. In the process destroying Powell's credibility when the reason for war went from Saddam's WMD to liberating the Iraqi people.

A President Obama or a Vice-President Palin would be much more historic than Powell and Rice being SoS. Voters don't choose a Secretary of State. Voters do choose Presidents and Vice-Presidents. That's why Obama and Palin are a bigger deal.

I know plenty about the Civil Rights Movement. I know that President Franklin Roosevelt (a Democrat) created the Fair Employment Practices Commission. I know that President Truman (a Democrat) desegragated the U.S. military. I know John & Robert Kennedy (Democrats) pulled strings to get Martin Luther King, Jr. released from jail. I know President Kennedy started pushing for the Civil Rights Act. I know President Johnson (a Democrat) signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 into law. Also he was the first to nominate a black man to the Surpreme Court. I know the Democratic controlled congress made MLK's birthday a national holiday. I know Walter Mondale (a Democrat) was first to select a woman to be his running mate. I know that two years ago the new Democratic controlled congress elected a woman Speaker of the House. I know that it is the Democratic Party that nominated two days ago a black man to be President of the United States. Not to mention all the work Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden have done to better the lives of minorities and women in this country over the years.

smile.gif You got a lot a nerve to lecture me on civil rights and then say you'd "do" Governor Palin; and how she looks better than other female politicians. So people can't say anything bad about minorities but sexist remarks towards the possible next Vice-President of the United States is okay? Well go "do" Vice-President Cheney, he's used to f***ing people over.
choon328
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 29 2008, 05:30 PM) *
I believe in the Puritan work ethic which is what this great country was founded on. Unfortunately, the libs don't believe in this and blame ALL of someone's failings on society/government instead of on the persons irresponsible choices. I can't see osama I mean obama doing ANY good for this country.

Isn't that the excuse u republicans made to try and keep Bill Clinton from becoming president? Yeah so what he got a blowjob from some fat cow, but that doesn't diminish the fact that our economy was booming and our deficit no longer existed when he left office. Let's face facts, John McCain CHEATED on his ex-wife with Cindy McCain. Any woman who can sleep with a married man, in my opinion, has no values or morals. Than the Oil Companies, I mean Republicans took office in 2000, now we have the largest deficit in our history. We have more people foreclosing on their home than we had during the GREAT DEPRESSION. Yeah, Obama may have an optimistic outlook on the future of our country but at least we know that he can't do worse than the Republicans have done in these past 8 years.

I know one way he's going to get the money to implement these ideas he has, by ending this f*cked up war in Iraq that's costing us 10 BILLION DOLLARS per month.

The problem with your argument about Lib-Dem's not believing in a Puritan work ethic is false. Here is a transcript of a few lines of Obama's speech last night:

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Ours -- ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves: protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools, and new roads, and science, and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America, the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation, the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper.


That definitely sounds like someone who is telling the American people that they NEED to work hard and that GOVERNMENT can't and will not bail them out of everything. But it also says that we need a Government who isn't asleep at the wheel. And that's the problem with John McCain, b/c we all know how OLD people like to nap.
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (choon328 @ Aug 29 2008, 07:03 PM) *
Isn't that the excuse u republicans made to try and keep Bill Clinton from becoming president? Yeah so what he got a blowjob from some fat cow, but that doesn't diminish the fact that our economy was booming and our deficit no longer existed when he left office. Let's face facts, John McCain CHEATED on his ex-wife with Cindy McCain. Any woman who can sleep with a married man, in my opinion, has no values or morals. Than the Oil Companies, I mean Republicans took office in 2000, now we have the largest deficit in our history. We have more people foreclosing on their home than we had during the GREAT DEPRESSION. Yeah, Obama may have an optimistic outlook on the future of our country but at least we know that he can't do worse than the Republicans have done in these past 8 years.

I know one way he's going to get the money to implement these ideas he has, by ending this f*cked up war in Iraq that's costing us 10 BILLION DOLLARS per month.

The problem with your argument about Lib-Dem's not believing in a Puritan work ethic is false. Here is a transcript of a few lines of Obama's speech last night:

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Ours -- ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves: protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools, and new roads, and science, and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America, the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation, the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper.


That definitely sounds like someone who is telling the American people that they NEED to work hard and that GOVERNMENT can't and will not bail them out of everything. But it also says that we need a Government who isn't asleep at the wheel. And that's the problem with John McCain, b/c we all know how OLD people like to nap.


That's alright choon he's just trying to bait you/us with those Karl Rove talking points. That's why I don't respond to posts like that. I could rip McCain a new asshole and make fun of him, but I won't because then I'd be just as bad as them. Ever since the Clinton impeachment for both parties it's been all about tearing the otherside down to build my side up. Though the Republicans are better at it. That's why Obama has been able to energize young people and people who've ignored politics in the past. He doesn't feel the need to constantly rip and lie about McCain to build himself up. Even though I wish he would fight back a little more and not let them define him. This Timebandit dude just wants a message board fight and won't bring any depth or insight to the discussion. There are guys here who I may not agree with politically but can have an intelligent and civil discussion with and not attack each other and our candidates personally.

But back to the orginal topic I thought McCain would pick Lindsey Graham to be his running mate. But the Democrats need to stop with this Palin tried to get her brother-in-law fired stuff. That's going bring up the domestic violence issue and that might help her and McCain with women voters.
beanz
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 29 2008, 03:45 PM) *
McCain-Palin 2008!!!


And this isn't just a move to win over the democrats who are pissed that Hilary lost? Gimme a break.
MNJET
QUOTE (beanz @ Aug 29 2008, 09:03 PM) *
And this isn't just a move to win over the democrats who are pissed that Hilary lost? Gimme a break.

I have to agree that this looks like a knee-jerk reaction trying to pull those die hard Hillary supporters who say that they can't vote for Obama. The problem is that those voters won't jump ship if they think McCain is just using Palin as a stunt. Also, how many consevatives will to Bob Barr once they hear how Palin went after the oil companies and raised their taxes? As far as firing the person who wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law, the issue is how she tried to use her position to attack people, and then got rid of those who stood in her way, not whatever the brother in law did. Don't get me wrong, the brother in law was a a**hole, but when the official wouldn't fire him, she went over the line by getting rid of him. It makes her look like she is a bully and lets her emotion get in the way of her judgement (as both the official and her brother in law would be able to sue for wrongful termination).

ps word in MN is that Pawlenty's people were completely out of the loop, and are not happy. the gov cancelled every event and interview yesterday thinking they were in, and had a not too supportive interview at the fair today.
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (MNJET @ Aug 29 2008, 10:29 PM) *
ps word in MN is that Pawlenty's people were completely out of the loop, and are not happy. the gov cancelled every event and interview yesterday thinking they were in, and had a not too supportive interview at the fair today.


I didn't know that. He is suppose to be on Meet The Press in Sunday so I'll be watching his body language to see how he really feels. I did hear though that Mitt "Who Let The Dogs Out" Romney wasn't to happy with the pick either.
choon328
QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Aug 29 2008, 10:10 PM) *
I didn't know that. He is suppose to be on Meet The Press in Sunday so I'll be watching his body language to see how he really feels. I did hear though that Mitt "Who Let The Dogs Out" Romney wasn't to happy with the pick either.

Why would any Republican be happy? The only reason they would be is b/c they are desperate and they think this is their best chance to win the election and they're wrong. I have more foreign policy experience then she does.
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (choon328 @ Aug 30 2008, 12:17 AM) *
Why would any Republican be happy? The only reason they would be is b/c they are desperate and they think this is their best chance to win the election and they're wrong. I have more foreign policy experience then she does.


I agree. I mean if he was going to pick a woman, Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Elizabeth Dole would have made more sense. Atleast McCain has spoken to them more than once. I would say Condi Rice too, but she needs to focus on being SoS and McCain doesn't need such a prominate fixture in the Bush administration running with him.

Palin might just end up being another Dan Quayle. I mean people talk about Obama possibly being assasinated but McCain has a better chance of having a stroke or getting cancer again and dying in office than Obama does. Even if McCain doesn't die he might become sick and incompasitated for a long time. Which will mean she will have to become Acting President. I wasn't going to watch the convention but I'll drop in on it now just to see how the party elders feel about this. McCain through a hail mary today that looks like will end up being an incomplete pass come Novemebr.
Timebandit
McCain picked Palin because like him she is a maverick who has bucked her party countless of times on numerous key issues. Also, she's pro-life & pro-2nd Amendment (being a lifetime member of the NRA). As a Gov. albeit for nearly 2yrs. & twice elected Mayor of a small town she has more executive experience than any candidate including McCain. McCain sees her as an outsider who is NOT from the Washington establishment & CANNOT be tied to the Bush administration, so there goes obamas claim of 4 more yrs of Bush. She also relates well to the working class, they can see themselves in her, she's the mother of 5 children, 1 who enlisted on Sept.11 2007 at the age of 18 in the Army & an infant who was born this past April & has downsyndrome. She really is living the American Dream, work hard, be sincere, stand by your principles & Always keep God in your life & good things will come your way. God Bless her & John McCain in their quest to lead this Great Country for the next 8yrs.

P.S. In the words of 1 of the Greatest Presidents this Nation has EVER had- "The trouble with our liberal freinds is not that they're ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so." Ronald W. Reagan
choon328
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 04:15 AM) *
Also, she's pro-life & pro-2nd Amendment (being a lifetime member of the NRA).


Exactly, this is why picking her makes no sense at all. With the stance on abortion and the 2nd amendment plus the fact that she has supported a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage and has also tried to get rid of the small amount of rights that our gay and lesbian friends have now, she will not get Clinton supporters to vote for them b/c of all of the things I just listed. It's such a stupid decision.

Add in the fact that 2 months ago Palin said this about Clinton, "She's an insufferable whiner". That will definitely get the Clinton followers once that gets out, hahaha.
HurricaneJet32
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 04:15 AM) *
McCain picked Palin because like him she is a maverick who has bucked her party countless of times on numerous key issues. Also, she's pro-life & pro-2nd Amendment (being a lifetime member of the NRA).


Being a member of the NRA isn't exactly a plus to the people McCain is targeting with the Palin Gimmick(Liberal Hillary Supporters).

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As a Gov. albeit for nearly 2yrs. & twice elected Mayor of a small town she has more executive experience than any candidate including McCain.


Are we honestly trying to call being a mayor of a town of 9,000 people and a governor for 2 years of ALASKA big time experience suitable for the White House?

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McCain sees her as an outsider who is NOT from the Washington establishment & CANNOT be tied to the Bush administration, so there goes obamas claim of 4 more yrs of Bush.


Oh OK...since McCain says no I guess there goes the claim of 4 more years of Bush........I guess that means McCain is also confirming the fact he won't live through the 4 years of his possible presidency.

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She also relates well to the working class, they can see themselves in her, she's the mother of 5 children, 1 who enlisted on Sept.11 2007 at the age of 18 in the Army & an infant who was born this past April & has downsyndrome. She really is living the American Dream, work hard, be sincere, stand by your principles & Always keep God in your life & good things will come your way. God Bless her & John McCain in their quest to lead this Great Country for the next 8yrs.


And here's the great failing of the republican party...failing to realize that the rest of the world isn't exactly the same as them. Not every human holds the same principles and values...and that doesn't make other people bad.

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P.S. In the words of 1 of the Greatest Presidents this Nation has EVER had- "The trouble with our liberal freinds is not that they're ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so." Ronald W. Reagan


Just a word of advice...you never win people over by making fun of them...you just strengthen their convictions against you.
JettingAwayAC
Looks like McCain used the ol' "pick a number between 1 and 10" method in choosing his running mate.
KSUpilot
They will try to spin this the best they can. If he is talking to a republican group...she is the best pro-right pick he has made. If he is talking to left-leaning women, he will try to paint her as Hillary Part 2.
And then the experience issue...already they are saying 'She was a mayor and a Governor!"...There are developments in my town with more people than the town she was mayor of. And Governor of Alaska? Please.
Timebandit
To CONSERVATIVES she appeals to 2 main strong points,1)Pro-Life & 2)Pro-2nd Amendment, I know to many who live in the tri-state area this does'nt mean miuch but to CONSERVATIVES in this COUNTRY it means a whole lot. McCain is trying to shore up his Conservative base & w/this pick he did. She's anti-gay marriage(psst..so are the MAJORITY of people in this Country-including me) but she is not against gays recieving same-sex benefits which she proved by signing a bill into law as Gov. of Alaska. McCain is NOT trying to sway the Fanatical Feminists who backed Clinton, he's trying to woo the INDEPENDENT & "PUMA" voters who are still unsure which way they're leaning. I see some are questioning her qualifications...she has been selected to run as VICE-President & is NOT RUNNING for President UNLIKE someone who has almost 3yrs in the senate & for 2 of those 3 has been running for PRESIDENT...What qualifications are there??? ZERO!!!, because someone is a good orator does NOT QUALIFY them to be POTUS. If you believe in your candidate so be it, I BELIEVE in mine.

p.s. Good Luck to ALL & have a safe Labor Day weekend!!!
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 04:15 AM) *
McCain picked Palin because like him she is a maverick who has bucked her party countless of times on numerous key issues. Also, she's pro-life & pro-2nd Amendment (being a lifetime member of the NRA). As a Gov. albeit for nearly 2yrs. & twice elected Mayor of a small town she has more executive experience than any candidate including McCain. McCain sees her as an outsider who is NOT from the Washington establishment & CANNOT be tied to the Bush administration, so there goes obamas claim of 4 more yrs of Bush. She also relates well to the working class, they can see themselves in her, she's the mother of 5 children, 1 who enlisted on Sept.11 2007 at the age of 18 in the Army & an infant who was born this past April & has downsyndrome. She really is living the American Dream, work hard, be sincere, stand by your principles & Always keep God in your life & good things will come your way. God Bless her & John McCain in their quest to lead this Great Country for the next 8yrs.


Well they're going to need God because when the DNC starts showing ads with Bush hugging McCain and Ted Stevens with Palin it will only remind voters of Bush's incompetence and Stevens' corruption. Not to forget Palin's support for the infamous bridge to nowhere, like John Kerry she was for it before she was against it. Having kids and a son who's going to Iraq isn't anything new. Joe Biden has kids and a son who'll be in Iraq too. Hell Joe Biden's done more for women than Sarah Palin has. McCain should have talked to Walter Mondale before he made this pick. Mondale would have told McCain not to expect women to vote for him just because a woman is his running mate.

Having an ass load of guns and stopping total strangers from getting an abortion won't lower gas prices, stop home foreclosures, stop outsourcing of American jobs, fight terrorism, improve American math and science test scores, lower health care costs, and pay down the national deficit. It's been said 40 trillion times but the words are as true now as they were in 1992.

"It's the economy stupid."

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P.S. In the words of 1 of the Greatest Presidents this Nation has EVER had- "The trouble with our liberal freinds is not that they're ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so." Ronald W. Reagan




Cut taxes, cut funding to federal programs, but barrow billions of dollars from other nations (even our enemies) so we can pay for a bunch of crap the DoD doesn't need just so they can get their rocks off at seeing shit blow up. Yeah we really need 4 more years of that. As if 20 out of 28 years of that isn't enough.

Ronald Reagan. Sold arms to both Saddam and bin Laden and left office with more debt than when he entered office; but he's one of our greatest Presidents. hysterical.gif
JoeBoo
I can see what McCain has tried to do by picking Palin, its basically an unknown/no record/american, and i believe its extremely interesting that he chose a woman, while as a minor strategy trying to get Hilary supporters that are still undecided. I suppose its more appealing to a middle class family to see someone like her in office, but I don't agree with the choice. I personally just hope that the American people can stay informed on everything that occurs within the next 11-12 weeks before November 4.

These next few days are all just reactions to the VP pick and I still think that these conventions are horrid ways of determining a president. Obama's speech was good, but he is just a great speaker. I felt that his speech the other night was a completely different demeanor then he has had in the past 4-5 months. He had more of an iron fist and a more direct tone in his presentation. He relates to me, maybe because I'm one of the younger voters, but in a time when the United States is faced with so many issues, the American people are fragile and don't exactly know where to look for short-term/long-term answers. I don't think Obama is a savior of any type, but I think he is a step in the right direction. I like his energy policy, but his economic policy seems a little on the weaker side. In a time where technology booms more and more everyday, there is absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER that the average american person can take an hour out of his day and not be informed about this election. The voter turnout this year is gonna be giant and i believe that after the convention next week, more and more people will begin to follow. Hopefully everyone can come up with there own decision and not rely on 1 or 2 speeches and/or a debate, and reactions from the opposite parties, along with what the general word around your co-workers, family, and friends are.

I can't have one decent conversation about this election with anyone I know except my one friend that goes to George Washington University, and he has left for school already.

I'm not trying to get into a debate with anyone, but all I can really say is that I hope everyone can stay informed and make a logical choice at who can lead this country. I'm still undecided and have yet to lean either way on who to vote for. Just my few cents.
Timebandit
The MAJOR reason we had a surplus during the clinton era is because we had a Republican controlled Congress. This was the 1st time in close to 50yrs since such a thing had occurred & it ALL came about due to the fact that bill put hillary in charge of revamping the health care system which turned out to be a complete & utter failure & disgusted the American people so much they voted in a Republican Congress to keep bill in check, & guess what, economically it worked. biden's son is not going to IRAQ to FIGHT he belongs to the JAG unit,he'll be there trying to screw some grunt for doing his job.

ps- President Reagan did that to fight communism which those countries were being threatened with, at the time communism was the biggest threat to the World not islamic radicalism.
Timebandit
JoeBoo, you sound like an intelligent well thought out person, good luck to you in making your decision.
JoeBoo
Thank you. I put all my effort to be the best a person can be.

This is my first time I can vote and I would hate to see it wasted by not staying informed. I don't even like politics, I am a Business Administration major and I hate seeing ignorance.
Timebandit
Don't look now, but you have the makings of a Republican.
Smedsthejet
Certainly this week was the most interesting week of the election so far, and it only got more interesting following McCain's surprise pick for VP; in my opinion both candidates made pretty cynical choices as to who their running mate would be: Biden has a wealth of experience foreign policy-wise, something Obama has been criticised for and Palin looks to have been chosen so the Republicans can take away some of the female vote from the Democrats. Seriously, her political past is not substantial at all!

But I think Obama stole a march over McCain (who would be my vote if I was a US citizen on account of his foreign policy promises) because Biden can help make his manifesto appear more conclusive, whereas Palin doesn't really do that for McCain. This election - and the one which will occur here in Britain in the next year or two - will be won or lost in two key areas - what each side plans for the economy, and more importantly in my eyes, what they promise on the international stage.
With Russia's aggresive attitude towards Georgia and the Ukraine as well as the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to deal with it's not really the best time for a significant switch in policy and for either of the potential presidents to adopt a more isolationist attitude to focus on matters at home. But with the economy in an awful state that appears to be what the people want, so whoever the next president is going to be needs to be clued up about what they are going to do, with a solid strategy in place because it's not going to be easy for them.

On the economy, over here a lot of people are calling for tax cuts, but the Government is already in pretty dire straits as it is, and this is the body who the people want to solve the problem. It makes it difficult if they are fighting a monetary issue with less money. It figures that with higher taxes, the government is spending more so you don't have to.
At least in America you don't have free healthcare. Quite simply, the NHS over here is a mess and can only be improved if other areas receive less funding. The billions it would free up if the NHS was privatised - or certain areas privatised - would mean more money to spend elsewhere for the British government, and it would enable them to help steady the economic ship.
Mr_Jet
Boy you really do follow those talking points.

QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 04:22 PM) *
The MAJOR reason we had a surplus during the clinton era is because we had a Republican controlled Congress.


Wrong, the reason there was a surplus when Clinton was President is because of what he and the Democratic controlled congress did in 1993 when congress passed and Clinton signed the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Despite every Republican in congress voting against it.

Clearly the CBO numbers confirm that the major credit for creating the 1998 surplus must go to actions of the 103rd Democratic Congress, which not only produced real net savings of $141 billion, but created the conditions necessary to adopt pro-growth monetary policies that have been very successful. The centerpiece of this effort, the deficit reduction bill passed in 1993, was described as follows by Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan: `There's no question that the impact of bringing the deficit down [through the 1993 budget bill] set in place a series of events--a virtuous cycle, if I may put it that way--which has led us to where we are.' (In testimony before the House Budget Committee, March 4, 1998.)
source: The Congressional Budget Office

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This was the 1st time in close to 50yrs since such a thing had occurred & it ALL came about due to the fact that bill put hillary in charge of revamping the health care system which turned out to be a complete & utter failure & disgusted the American people so much they voted in a Republican Congress to keep bill in check, & guess what, economically it worked.


That was only one reason why the Democrats lost congress in 1994. Clinton's handling of Don't ask don't tell was another reason. Corruption by House chairman of Ways and Means Dan Rostenkowski. The begining of the Whitewater charges. Clinton's handling of Somalia and Rwanda. Democrats being arrogant and having a sense of entitlement after being in power for 40 years. Pretty much the same reasons the Republicans lost in 2006 after only 12 years. The Democrats didn't lose in 1994 just because of Hillary Clinton and her handling of health care. If the Clintons would have worked with congress especially with people like Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan instead of being my way or the highway; we'd have universal health care right now. The Republicans won in 1994 for the same reasons Democrats won 12 years later. The voters were pissed for many reasons.

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biden's son is not going to IRAQ to FIGHT he belongs to the JAG unit,he'll be there trying to screw some grunt for doing his job.


And you know this how? You going to be over there with him? What kind of nagging football injury do you have? Unlike most Americans Beau Biden is not fighting the war with his keyboard.

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ps- President Reagan did that to fight communism which those countries were being threatened with, at the time communism was the biggest threat to the World not islamic radicalism.


Excuses, excuses. That doesn't excuse why he let them KEEP the weapons the U.S. gave them to fight the Soviets. Weapons they'd use to fight Americans 20 years later. Reagan funded the very people that attacked America on 9/11. And that in itself does NOT make him one of our greatest Presidents. That makes him one of our worst. It didn't take a crystal ball back in the early 80s to know that those Afghan fighters disliked the United States. No Reagan thought they were the lesser of two evils and he was wrong, since because of Richard Nixon the Soviet Union was well on it's way to collapse anyway.
Smedsthejet
QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Aug 30 2008, 10:46 PM) *
Excuses, excuses. That doesn't excuse why he let them KEEP the weapons the U.S. gave them to fight the Soviets. Weapons they'd use to fight Americans 20 years later. Reagan funded the very people that attacked America on 9/11. And that in itself does NOT make him one of our greatest Presidents. That makes him one of our worst. It didn't take a crystal ball back in the early 80s to know that those Afghan fighters disliked the United States. No Reagan thought they were the lesser of two evils and he was wrong, since because of Richard Nixon the Soviet Union was well on it's way to collapse anyway.


Reagan does come across as pretty dumb for that. He fought the deposition of the pro-Western leader in Iran by Islamic Fundamentalists under Ayatollah Khameini with sanctions and then went ahead and proscribed Islamic Fundamentalists weapons to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Timebandit
mr jet, you obviously are not ignorant, you just know so much that isn't so. drinks.gif
HurricaneJet32
Ignorance = ardently being a democrat or a republican.

George Washington warned us against letting parties take control of our government in his Farewell Address: "...the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another. There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume."

No one party could ever be 100% correct. Let's be honest, there are extremely intelligent men on both sides...so how could one side be right and the other wrong? They can't, and the true answer to that is a balance of both ideas. THE PROBLEM IS THOSE PEOPLE WITH A TRUE, INTELLIGENT BALANCE OF BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN BASIC ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL PHILOSOPHIES WILL NEVER HAVE A CHANCE AT THE PRESIDENCY BECAUSE THE PARTIES WOULD NEVER LET THEM.

And just as a side note...what is the obsession with fighting? Why do you discredit someone who goes to Iraq for reasons other than killing people? Not that I'm exactly high on lawyers...but I would be a hell of a lot more proud of my child if they went to Iraq to be a medic and prolong life as opposed to a sniper and end human lives.
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (JoeBoo @ Aug 30 2008, 04:19 PM) *
I can see what McCain has tried to do by picking Palin, its basically an unknown/no record/american, and i believe its extremely interesting that he chose a woman, while as a minor strategy trying to get Hilary supporters that are still undecided. I suppose its more appealing to a middle class family to see someone like her in office, but I don't agree with the choice. I personally just hope that the American people can stay informed on everything that occurs within the next 11-12 weeks before November 4.

These next few days are all just reactions to the VP pick and I still think that these conventions are horrid ways of determining a president. Obama's speech was good, but he is just a great speaker. I felt that his speech the other night was a completely different demeanor then he has had in the past 4-5 months. He had more of an iron fist and a more direct tone in his presentation. He relates to me, maybe because I'm one of the younger voters, but in a time when the United States is faced with so many issues, the American people are fragile and don't exactly know where to look for short-term/long-term answers. I don't think Obama is a savior of any type, but I think he is a step in the right direction. I like his energy policy, but his economic policy seems a little on the weaker side. In a time where technology booms more and more everyday, there is absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER that the average american person can take an hour out of his day and not be informed about this election. The voter turnout this year is gonna be giant and i believe that after the convention next week, more and more people will begin to follow. Hopefully everyone can come up with there own decision and not rely on 1 or 2 speeches and/or a debate, and reactions from the opposite parties, along with what the general word around your co-workers, family, and friends are.

I can't have one decent conversation about this election with anyone I know except my one friend that goes to George Washington University, and he has left for school already.

I'm not trying to get into a debate with anyone, but all I can really say is that I hope everyone can stay informed and make a logical choice at who can lead this country. I'm still undecided and have yet to lean either way on who to vote for. Just my few cents.


Beautiful post. I agree. People not only need to vote but know what they're voting for and why they are voting for it. People who say they don't vote because they're vote doesn't count I just want to smack. They are usually the ones that are the first to complain when something is wrong. Hopefully people will follow your lead and not enter the voting booth with a little to no information on both candidates.
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 06:03 PM) *
mr jet, you obviously are not ignorant, you just know so much that isn't so. drinks.gif


Perhaps drinks.gif Like Charles Barkley, I may be wrong, but I doubt It.
santana
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 04:03 PM) *
mr jet, you obviously are not ignorant, you just know so much that isn't so. drinks.gif


is this like the chewbacca defense?
Timebandit
kudos mr jet, & to hurricane I am not diminishing the fact that biden jr is going to Iraq but when someone makes a point to show that fact as if he was going to be on the front lines in battle, I feel I have to clarify the issue, that's all. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, help them to be safe & successful & to come home soon. HOORAH!!!
Timebandit
santana, chewbacca defense???
hornblower
Most of these post are quite well written. Much better than most political sights. It just shows that Jet fans are the most literate and wise of all.
I love the cartoon especially the figure of "W".
JettingAwayAC
QUOTE (Timebandit @ Aug 30 2008, 06:36 PM) *
santana, chewbacca defense???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUP5GzHIojU
Timebandit
I hate jonny cochran...ha ha ha...
theanalogkid
John McCain "The Maverick" has been dead since 2000. 2008 John McCain is no maverick, when you vote 90% of the time with the President and tow the party line you aren't a maverick.


Anyways, the odds of McCain not dying in office are against him, so his VP choice was pretty important, and I think he blew it.
Joecreed
I'm not getting into all this stuff on here, because like Mr Jet says but doesn't follow, I can rip them all a new asshole as well.

Anyway, I just want to give you guys some economic insight since you all seem to be confused. One, the economy when Clinton left office was in a recession. Bush inherited a recession from Clinton. Look up the definition of a recession, and look at the financial data for that time period.

Second, the economy runs in cycles. Whether it is Clinton, Bush, me or that guy that was the huge Brad Smith fan on here awhile back as president. It doesn't matter much. Over time it will be going both up and down...that's how it works.

That's it...I feel better now.
Buckmaster
Mr. Jet –

I think you can take that sorry ass picture of John Edwards “self proclaimed adulterer” from your signature.

I’m surprised you would want him associated with your beloved Barck Hussain Obama “the messiah”…

Take care and have a good day …




QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Aug 30 2008, 04:46 PM) *
Boy you really do follow those talking points.
Wrong, the reason there was a surplus when Clinton was President is because of what he and the Democratic controlled congress did in 1993 when congress passed and Clinton signed the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Despite every Republican in congress voting against it.

Clearly the CBO numbers confirm that the major credit for creating the 1998 surplus must go to actions of the 103rd Democratic Congress, which not only produced real net savings of $141 billion, but created the conditions necessary to adopt pro-growth monetary policies that have been very successful. The centerpiece of this effort, the deficit reduction bill passed in 1993, was described as follows by Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan: `There's no question that the impact of bringing the deficit down [through the 1993 budget bill] set in place a series of events--a virtuous cycle, if I may put it that way--which has led us to where we are.' (In testimony before the House Budget Committee, March 4, 1998.)
source: The Congressional Budget Office
That was only one reason why the Democrats lost congress in 1994. Clinton's handling of Don't ask don't tell was another reason. Corruption by House chairman of Ways and Means Dan Rostenkowski. The begining of the Whitewater charges. Clinton's handling of Somalia and Rwanda. Democrats being arrogant and having a sense of entitlement after being in power for 40 years. Pretty much the same reasons the Republicans lost in 2006 after only 12 years. The Democrats didn't lose in 1994 just because of Hillary Clinton and her handling of health care. If the Clintons would have worked with congress especially with people like Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan instead of being my way or the highway; we'd have universal health care right now. The Republicans won in 1994 for the same reasons Democrats won 12 years later. The voters were pissed for many reasons.
And you know this how? You going to be over there with him? What kind of nagging football injury do you have? Unlike most Americans Beau Biden is not fighting the war with his keyboard.
Excuses, excuses. That doesn't excuse why he let them KEEP the weapons the U.S. gave them to fight the Soviets. Weapons they'd use to fight Americans 20 years later. Reagan funded the very people that attacked America on 9/11. And that in itself does NOT make him one of our greatest Presidents. That makes him one of our worst. It didn't take a crystal ball back in the early 80s to know that those Afghan fighters disliked the United States. No Reagan thought they were the lesser of two evils and he was wrong, since because of Richard Nixon the Soviet Union was well on it's way to collapse anyway.
choon328
QUOTE (Buckmaster @ Aug 31 2008, 09:40 AM) *
Mr. Jet –

I think you can take that sorry ass picture of John Edwards “self proclaimed adulterer” from your signature.

I’m surprised you would want him associated with your beloved Barck Hussain Obama “the messiah”…

Take care and have a good day …


Lets not forget that John McCain also cheated on his first wife with Cindy McCain. Which in my opinion makes her classless and dirty.
Buckmaster
QUOTE (choon328 @ Aug 31 2008, 12:10 PM) *
Lets not forget that John McCain also cheated on his first wife with Cindy McCain. Which in my opinion makes her classless and dirty.



I can’t understand how anybody can vote for someone based solely on race. The black population as a whole will be voting for Barack Obama strictly because he is a black man, “Talk about reverse discrimination”.

I will not be voting for Obama because he stands for everything that I am against, “not because he is black”. I don’t particularly care for John McCain either. I guess I will be voting for the lesser of two evils (John McCain)

I truly admire and respect John McCain’s VP selection - Sarah Palin. I wish she was running for President I would vote for her over the other two idiots (Obama, McCain). The Obama campaign and media portray her as having no experience which is a tremendously bigoted statement.

Lets looks at the facts…

Palin has more executive experience than Obama. Palin started out in small town politics as a school board member. She was then elected and served for two terms as city councilwoman in Wasilla, AK. Palin then served on Alaska's Oil and Natural Gas Conservation Commission for a brief time. In 2006 she was elected as Governor of Alaska.

Barack Obama’s experience: Two years in the US Senate. (One of those years running for president). Seven years in the Illinois senate.

If Sarah Palin does not have enough experience to be Vice President then Barack Obama certainly does not have enough experience to be President. When the Obama campaign or the media proclaim that Palin does not have enough experience to be Vice President that is just plain bullshit.

I think John McCain is an idiot and I also think Barack Obama is an idiot. I just don’t think McCain will do as much harm to the United States as Barack Hussein Obama would. “Personally” I’d like to see McCain get elected and then “kick” in office and have Sarah Palin take over as president.

“OH yea” – Back to John Edwards… Any man who cheats on his wife while she is under going cancer treatments is a complete scumbag…
Mr_Jet
QUOTE (Buckmaster @ Aug 31 2008, 10:40 AM) *
Mr. Jet –

I think you can take that sorry ass picture of John Edwards “self proclaimed adulterer” from your signature.

I’m surprised you would want him associated with your beloved Barck Hussain Obama “the messiah”…

Take care and have a good day …


First off all let's get one thing straight. I will put who I want, where I want in my signature, anytime I want. And I will not have you dictate to me who I can and can't have in my signature. Now I know the U.S. constitution means nothing to Republicans anymore, but we still do have freedom of speech. I'll put a picture of John Edwards shitting on an old woman's face and pissing on her dog in my signature if I want to.

Edwards knows what he did was wrong and he's paying the price now. He is a liar, a dumbass, a damn fool...and I'd still vote for his sorry ass. I didn't support him because he was John Edwards. I supported the issues John Edwards campaigned on. Issues he made the centerpiece of his campaign, issues Clinton and Obama were not really addressing at the time. As choon pointed out, those who live in glass houses shouldn't through stones. NOT THAT IT MATTERS but John McCain cheated on his first wife, he started dating Cindy while still living with his first wife, and got a marriage license to marry Cindy while he was still married to his first wife. Newt Gingrich cheated on and divorced his first wife while she had cancer and also cheated on his second wife (with his future third wife)....doing this while he was trying to impeach President Clinton. Bob Barr back when he was a Republican who for years fought to make abortion illegal, got his mistress/future wife pregnant and "let" her to go get an abortion. It doesn't matter to me if a politician is a freak in the bedroom or not, as long as they do the job they take an oath to do. Despite what Karl Rove has brainwashed millions of people into believing, God is not a Republican.

So Edwards or no Edwards in my signature I will still vote for Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Muslim or no muslim. Just like I'd vote for a protestant, a catholic, a jew, a budhist, an atheist, etc. if I agreed with he or she on the issues. Nothing says the President has to be a christian anyway...which by the way Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is. Not that it should matter.

But throw your stones at John Edwards, you just better hope the rumors about Governor Palin's youngest child aren't true.

QUOTE (Buckmaster @ Aug 31 2008, 01:42 PM) *
I can’t understand how anybody can vote for someone based solely on race. The black population as a whole will be voting for Barack Obama strictly because he is a black man, “Talk about reverse discrimination”.


Yeah because black people haven't voted overwhelmingly for Democrats in the last 60+ years. Black people voting for the Democrat will be something new this year. I guess black people aren't smart enough to vote for somebody based on the issues. If that were the case Lynn Swann would be Governor of Pennsylvania and Michael Steele would be a U.S. Senator from Maryland right now. Yes there is a minority of people who will vote for Obama because he's black. But they will be cancelled out by people who will vote against Obama because he's black. We haven't gotten that far yet and the Tom Bradley effect will be in effect on November 4th. Hopefully not in full effect though.

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I will not be voting for Obama because he stands for everything that I am against, “not because he is black”. I don’t particularly care for John McCain either. I guess I will be voting for the lesser of two evils (John McCain)


So what you want an award for voting against Saddam Hussein...oops...Barack Hussein Obama but "not because he's black?" You don't have to prove nothing. I'll take you at your word. Well for the record I'm not voting for McCain but it's "not because he's white."

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I truly admire and respect John McCain’s VP selection - Sarah Palin. I wish she was running for President I would vote for her over the other two idiots (Obama, McCain). The Obama campaign and media portray her as having no experience which is a tremendously bigoted statement.

Lets looks at the facts…

Palin has more executive experience than Obama. Palin started out in small town politics as a school board member. She was then elected and served for two terms as city councilwoman in Wasilla, AK. Palin then served on Alaska's Oil and Natural Gas Conservation Commission for a brief time. In 2006 she was elected as Governor of Alaska.

Barack Obama’s experience: Two years in the US Senate. (One of those years running for president). Seven years in the Illinois senate.

If Sarah Palin does not have enough experience to be Vice President then Barack Obama certainly does not have enough experience to be President. When the Obama campaign or the media proclaim that Palin does not have enough experience to be Vice President that is just plain bullshit.

I think John McCain is an idiot and I also think Barack Obama is an idiot. I just don’t think McCain will do as much harm to the United States as Barack Hussein Obama would. “Personally” I’d like to see McCain get elected and then “kick” in office and have Sarah Palin take over as president.


Hmm Washington was a plantation ownwer and a general. Jefferson was a plantation owner and a lawyer. Lincoln was a lawyer, state legislator (like Obama), and one term Congressman. Teddy Roosevelt was a state legislator (like Obama) and went after higher office when he was younger than Obama. Yet they all are on Mount Rushmore.

I've heard many former Presidents say in interviews nothing can prepare a person to become President. Governors don't have foreign policy experience and Senators don't have executive experience. Neither Obama or McCain or Biden or Palin have enough experience to be President. I find it odd now all of a sudden experience is so important to voters. If goverment experience and good biographies were what was needed to win, then the other guy would have won the last four elections.

1992 Bush had more experience, 1996 Dole had more experience, 2000 Gore had more experience, 2004 Kerry had more experience. They all lost. But now experience is soooo important.

Looks like if recent history is any indicator, Barack Hussian Obama, Jr. will be our next President. Despite having a middle name that happens to also be the last name of Iraq's former dictator.

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“OH yea” – Back to John Edwards… Any man who cheats on his wife while she is under going cancer treatments is a complete scumbag…


True. And? That's exactly how I felt when I found out Newt Gingrich did that. See the knife cuts both ways don't it?



P.S. I wonder if Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was instead a Pro-Bowl, future Hall of Fame running back for the New York Jets; would having a muslim name matter so much then?
brwct8
QUOTE (theanalogkid @ Aug 31 2008, 01:03 AM) *
John McCain "The Maverick" has been dead since 2000. 2008 John McCain is no maverick, when you vote 90% of the time with the President and tow the party line you aren't a maverick.
Anyways, the odds of McCain not dying in office are against him, so his VP choice was pretty important, and I think he blew it.


At least he doesnt vote "present" Like Obama does.

Write it down...
McCain/Palin win in Nov. Check the Latest Zogby Poll http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
A very reliable pollster has McCain up by 2 after naming Palin, who Hillary cant and wont touch.
MNJET
[quote name='brwct8' date='Aug 31 2008, 07:29 PM' post='239530']
At least he doesnt vote "present" Like Obama does.

Nah, he just doesn't show up at all, missing 63.8% of the votes called by the 110th congress.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congres...te/vote-missers

He even skipped more votes than Johnson, who suffered a brain hemmorage and was in the hospital for the first half of 2007. While McCain has spent most of this time campaigning, he has even missed votes when he was in his senate office, and just decided not to go to the floor. That's what we need in the White House, someone who just doesn't feel like going to the Oval Office for the day.
theanalogkid
QUOTE (brwct8 @ Aug 31 2008, 08:29 PM) *
At least he doesnt vote "present" Like Obama does.

Write it down...
McCain/Palin win in Nov. Check the Latest Zogby Poll http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
A very reliable pollster has McCain up by 2 after naming Palin, who Hillary cant and wont touch.


How do you know that I'm voting for Obama? Personally both choices suck, so I'm voting 3rd party. Obama might have had my vote if he voted no to Telecom Immunity, but instead decided rule of law did not matter.
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